Comments on: It’s Axiomatic, Dear Boy http://nocleverpseudonym.com/2008/11/its-axiomatic-dear-boy/ Gen-X, Goth, Geek, Gamer Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:26:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Ookla http://nocleverpseudonym.com/2008/11/its-axiomatic-dear-boy/comment-page-1/#comment-99 Ookla Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:53:50 +0000 http://nocleverpseudonym.com/?p=40#comment-99 You don't seem to have any idea what an axiom is. This might be a good place to start: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom" An axiom is a statement that is self evident (it is possible draw a line between two points), is neccesarily true (all bachelors are unmarried), or contians no contradictions and is not derived from any premises (When an equal amount is taken from equals, an equal amount results). Axioms are used almost exclusively in mathematics. Philoosphy often only uses the most basic axioms of logic (C is true if A and B are true) and build from there. Axioms are susceptible to proof and disproof. What you described is faith. "There is a god" is NOT an axiom. It is a proposition or an assertion, it must be derived from premises. It is neither self evident nor neccesarily true. No one dies for an axiom, axioms are simplistic and basic and do not involve premesis, conclusions, or values. Do die for an axiom is to die for the statement, "". You don’t seem to have any idea what an axiom is. This might be a good place to start: “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom”

An axiom is a statement that is self evident (it is possible draw a line between two points), is neccesarily true (all bachelors are unmarried), or contians no contradictions and is not derived from any premises (When an equal amount is taken from equals, an equal amount results). Axioms are used almost exclusively in mathematics. Philoosphy often only uses the most basic axioms of logic (C is true if A and B are true) and build from there. Axioms are susceptible to proof and disproof. What you described is faith.

“There is a god” is NOT an axiom. It is a proposition or an assertion, it must be derived from premises. It is neither self evident nor neccesarily true.

No one dies for an axiom, axioms are simplistic and basic and do not involve premesis, conclusions, or values. Do die for an axiom is to die for the statement, “”.

]]> By: This I Believe: God, or Lack Thereof | No Clever Pseudonym http://nocleverpseudonym.com/2008/11/its-axiomatic-dear-boy/comment-page-1/#comment-19 This I Believe: God, or Lack Thereof | No Clever Pseudonym Thu, 13 Nov 2008 01:01:50 +0000 http://nocleverpseudonym.com/?p=40#comment-19 [...] I wrote in a previous post, an axiom is a proposition that is not susceptible of proof or disproof; its truth is assumed to be [...] [...] I wrote in a previous post, an axiom is a proposition that is not susceptible of proof or disproof; its truth is assumed to be [...]

]]> By: admin http://nocleverpseudonym.com/2008/11/its-axiomatic-dear-boy/comment-page-1/#comment-15 admin Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:08:10 +0000 http://nocleverpseudonym.com/?p=40#comment-15 Indeed. I've always thought that Gödel's Theorem applied to philosophy, but unlike in mathematics it's impossible to prove it. Indeed. I’ve always thought that Gödel’s Theorem applied to philosophy, but unlike in mathematics it’s impossible to prove it.

]]> By: Rob http://nocleverpseudonym.com/2008/11/its-axiomatic-dear-boy/comment-page-1/#comment-14 Rob Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:25:42 +0000 http://nocleverpseudonym.com/?p=40#comment-14 Yeah. First principles are important in understanding points of view, both your own, and other. The term axiom brings to mind (for me) one of the points made about mathematics, though- that sets of axioms do not always contain all possible truths (<a HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del's_incompleteness_theorems" rel="nofollow">Gödel's incompleteness theorems</A>). Once I found out about this years ago, I became considerably less confident in my (or anyone else's) ability to know that I'm 100% right, and it taught me that it's quite possible that the axioms I hold might obscure truth or knowledge I could otherwise have.... so it's always good to reflect on first principles now and then. Yeah. First principles are important in understanding points of view, both your own, and other.

The term axiom brings to mind (for me) one of the points made about mathematics, though- that sets of axioms do not always contain all possible truths (Gödel’s incompleteness theorems). Once I found out about this years ago, I became considerably less confident in my (or anyone else’s) ability to know that I’m 100% right, and it taught me that it’s quite possible that the axioms I hold might obscure truth or knowledge I could otherwise have…. so it’s always good to reflect on first principles now and then.

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